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 Post subject: McKay on Schaub,...again in the news
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:40 am 
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Atlanta Falcons backup QB to Superman is again in the news. There's whispers in South Florida that Nick Saban would love to acquire Schaub. Here's a report that offers some interesting things said by Falcons GM Rich McKay. Translation will be offered in bold font.

AP reports Falcons GM Rich McKay said that he has fielded inquiries regarding a trade for backup QB Matt Schaub. "There's been phone calls(there's been lots of interest), but nothing that has made us reconsider where we are(he ain't going nowhere unless we get a package deal or a 1st rounder), at least at this point(we still might use Schaub on a draft-day trade for the right price)," McKay said. "We like the player(and he's gonna cost someone alot to acquire the guy), and he plays a very important position(we must have a capable backup to Superman because of his style play). From our position(a position that we'll determine, no one else), what it would take would have to be very strong(again, a 1st rounder or a package deal)." The Sun-Sentinel adds a source says the Dolphins may be hot on the trail of Schaub.

Oh I can hear the naysayers already,...well, Culpepper might be traded for a 2nd round pick,...why does everyone keep saying Schaub's worth more than that?

Culpepper might be washed up if he isn't reunited with his SECURITY BLANKET in Oakland, for one thing. Then there's Schaub's superior accuracy with his passes,...his youth and his time studying the game the last two years.

In order for the Falcons to trade Schaub, they know they'll have to replace him with a guy that can come in and play well if Superman gets dinged. That guy would, IMO, have to come through the draft and that's a scary thought to this Falcons fan. The young guy would have to grow up quick because there'd be a good chance he'd have to play.

And then too,...there are guys like Aaron Brooks out there as well,...


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Good translation PB.

But I think McKay would be making a mistake if there is a team out there offering a #2 or #3 for Schaub and not taking it.

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Man,...your sentiment is shared by many but not by all brother.

Schaub is worth TWO 1st round picks and three players if Michael gets dinged. As it stands now, I question you,...who else could come in and guide the Falcons offense to a win if #7 gets nicked? Aaron Brooks? I even saw someone post that McCown would be a good backup?lol

Schaub is worth a 1st round pick,...have always said that and received lots of grief over my stance. In any event, let's hope he's the backup in '06 and hopefully he'll be tendered the top tiered RFA contract after this season. Then there'll be teams that want his services that have to part with a 1st AND a 3rd round draft pick to obtain him. It'd make sense to trade the package,...but the Phins have their QB now, so there's really no other place for Schaub to go,...maybe Detroit still but Millen seems determined to swim or sink with Harrington.

We Falcons fans will see our team benefit from, FINALLY, wise drafting,...FINALLY! :)


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PB21 wrote:
Man,...your sentiment is shared by many but not by all brother.

Schaub is worth TWO 1st round picks and three players if Michael gets dinged. As it stands now, I question you,...who else could come in and guide the Falcons offense to a win if #7 gets nicked? Aaron Brooks? I even saw someone post that McCown would be a good backup?lol

Schaub is worth a 1st round pick,...have always said that and received lots of grief over my stance. In any event, let's hope he's the backup in '06 and hopefully he'll be tendered the top tiered RFA contract after this season. Then there'll be teams that want his services that have to part with a 1st AND a 3rd round draft pick to obtain him. It'd make sense to trade the package,...but the Phins have their QB now, so there's really no other place for Schaub to go,...maybe Detroit still but Millen seems determined to swim or sink with Harrington.

We Falcons fans will see our team benefit from, FINALLY, wise drafting,...FINALLY! :)


Problem with your logic is that only the Falcons would value Schuab at 2 first round picks. The rest of the NFL sees Schuab as a backup with potential. Something that recent backups turned starts who completely flamed out have damaged the market markedly.

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PB21 wrote:
Man,...your sentiment is shared by many but not by all brother.

Schaub is worth TWO 1st round picks and three players if Michael gets dinged. As it stands now, I question you,...who else could come in and guide the Falcons offense to a win if #7 gets nicked? Aaron Brooks? I even saw someone post that McCown would be a good backup?lol

Schaub is worth a 1st round pick,...have always said that and received lots of grief over my stance. In any event, let's hope he's the backup in '06 and hopefully he'll be tendered the top tiered RFA contract after this season. Then there'll be teams that want his services that have to part with a 1st AND a 3rd round draft pick to obtain him. It'd make sense to trade the package,...but the Phins have their QB now, so there's really no other place for Schaub to go,...maybe Detroit still but Millen seems determined to swim or sink with Harrington.

We Falcons fans will see our team benefit from, FINALLY, wise drafting,...FINALLY! :)


Problem with your logic is that only the Falcons would value Schuab at 2 first round picks. The rest of the NFL sees Schuab as a backup with potential. Something that recent backups turned starts who completely flamed out have damaged the market markedly.



who cares what everyone else thinks? the Falcons need to be concerned about the Falcons when it comes to winning games.

the run on a superbowl is on in the next 2 years. Schaub or either some SERIOUS compensation belong on this team for the next 2 years.


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If the Falcons tender Schaub, again, the highest of the three levels of a contract after this season,...any team can offer more(it'll be over $2 mil a year) but that team will have to part with a 1st and 3rd round pick. If the Falcons and me feel the guy's worth more than the rest of the league, fine. Agreed that who cares what everyone thinks,...we need Schaub or that compensation to get to the big game, great point!


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But Schaub doesn't need the Falcons. What happens when you have a disgruntled backup?

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- Schaub and our 2nd, they can take that deal and stick it. But I would really love to get Abraham if we could swing it somehow where we don't get screwed.

ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Falcons are working hard to assemble the appropriate pieces of a trade package intended to lure prized defensive end John Abraham from the New York Jets, ESPN and ESPN.com have confirmed through league sources.

One significant road bump to a deal that, despite ongoing efforts from both sides, remains a long shot: The Falcons steadfastly refuse to include two-year veteran quarterback Matt Schaub, the player Jets officials regard as the centerpiece to any deal, in their trade proposals.

It is believed the Jets are seeking Schaub and the Falcons' second-round draft pick for Abraham.

Without the inclusion of Schaub, the backup to Michael Vick and a youngster whose résumé includes just two regular-season starts, the swap might never be consummated. But Atlanta in particular continues to pursue it and hopes to craft a package that might attract the Jets, but without having to surrender Schaub or the Falcons' first-round draft choice, the 15th overall selection in the lottery.

"There have been discussions, as in plural, but I don't know that it will happen," said one team official. "But [the two teams] are still plugging away."

That said, neither club seems prepared yet to end the talks, in part because the Falcons covet Abraham and because New York is determined to trade the veteran end, designated by the Jets as their franchise player for a second consecutive year.

Despite the speculation that the Jets will use the fourth overall pick on April 29 to choose one of the three highly regarded quarterback prospects in the 2006 draft, New York has apparently targeted Schaub as the young passer it really wants to land. The Jets recently restructured the contract of starting quarterback Chad Pennington to keep from having to release him for cap reasons. But uncertainty still surrounds Pennington, who had surgery in October to repair a torn right rotator cuff, his second such procedure in eight months.

Because of the Pennington situation, the Jets are seeking a younger player, one with starting potential.

A third-round draft choice in 2004, Schaub is highly regarded around the NFL and by Atlanta officials. The former University of Virginia standout has played in 11 games in two seasons, two of them starts, and has completed 66 of 134 attempts for 825 yards, with five touchdown passes, four interceptions and a passer rating of 68.8.

Schaub, 24, lost both his starts. But in a 31-28 loss to New England last Oct. 9 at the Georgia Dome, he threw for 298 yards and three touchdowns in an impressive outing. The defensive coordinator for New England in that game was Eric Mangini, who is the Jets' new head coach, and who obviously liked what he saw of Schaub that day.

Falcons officials are reluctant to part with Schaub for at least two reasons: First, they consider him a quality player and an eventual starter in the league. Second, team officials realize that Vick's derring-do style will always make him susceptible to injuries, and that Atlanta needs a solid backup capable of possibly starting a few games every season. The Falcons consider Schaub ideal for that role.

"We like [Schaub] and he plays a very important position," Falcons team president Rich McKay told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution earlier this week. "From our position, what it would take [to surrender Schaub in a trade] would have to be very strong."

That said, the Falcons would love to land Abraham, a high-energy defender who is viewed as one of the NFL's premier outside pass rushers. And whether New York deals Abraham to Atlanta or some other club, it's clear the six-year veteran will not be back with the Jets in 2006.

Abraham visited with Washington officials over the weekend and was set to be in Seattle for a Wednesday visit. It was announced last week that Abraham would meet with four teams, and Atlanta is believed to be among them.

The Jets last month designated Abraham a franchise player, essentially making him a one-year qualifying offer of $8.33 million, but also severely limiting his mobility in free agency. New York used the franchise tag a year ago, as well, to retain Abraham, and he missed the offseason programs and training camp before signing the one-year deal, worth $6.66 million just days before the start of the season.

Abraham has been saying for two years that he prefers a long-term contract but the two sides have not been able to strike a satisfactory deal. Any team that trades for Abraham will have to first reach agreement with him on a long-term contract. The Falcons have some history in trading for franchise players, having acquired franchise wide receiver Peerless Price from Buffalo in 2003 after reaching a long-term accord that included a $10 million signing bonus.

The Falcons also have a history in dealing with Abraham's agent, Tony Agnone, who represents Atlanta standout left defensive end Patrick Kerney. Teaming Kerney and Abraham would give the Falcons a terrific defensive end tandem.

Termed by Cleveland Browns coach Romeo Crennel as "head and shoulders" above any pass rusher available this offseason, Abraham certainly is a proven sack man. One of the Jets' four first-round selections in the 2000 draft, Abraham has consistently been among the top pass rushers in the NFL, when healthy. Limited to just 19 appearances in 2003-2004 because of injuries, Abraham, a three-time Pro Bowl performer, played in all 16 games for the Jets in 2005, only the third time in six years he has played a full schedule.

He registered 67 tackles, 10½ sacks, six forced fumbles, one recovery and two passes defensed. For his career, the former South Carolina star has 328 tackles, 53½ sacks, 18 forced fumbles, five recoveries and eight pass deflections in 73 games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368971


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