So Dunta Robinson and Roddy White are team first guys? Ray Edwards?
I'm all for targeting good character guys, but you have to be able to bend the rules at times. It's because of character concerns that this team passed on Aaron Hernandez, and see how well that's paid off for them.
Again, you keep trying to paint this picture that Brent Grimes quit on this team and his teammates. When he did no such thing. The guy had a legit injury that could have kept him out of the game, and at worst opted not to jeopardize his financial future by playing on a bum knee in a playoff game. It's no different than Roddy White or Dunta Robinson holding out before the season starts. It's the exact same thing
. It's "I want to get paid more money and therefore I'm going to withhold my services to try and put myself in a better position to get paid." But unlike players that are 100% healthy holding out in August, Grimes did it at the end of the year when he was legitimately injured. His being listed as questionable wasn't the typical Falcons questionable which is really just probable. There was legitimately a 50/50 shot he would play Sunday vs. the Giants. The Falcons were so unsure about whether he would play they had to keep him out of Thursday's practice as a "precautionary measure" because he was borderline on whether even making the attempt to practice would cause a setback in his recovery.
If he really had it out for the team, then he wouldn't have fought so hard to come back from knee surgery, obviously a few weeks earlier than he should have to play in the biggest game of the 2nd half of the Falcons season (MNF vs. the Saints), where he re-injured the knee very early in that game, but still gutted through it. He could have had season-ending knee surgery. We're not talking about a groin pull, we're talking about a legit knee injury that required surgery.
Everything you know about Brent Grimes over the past 5 years he's been with this team suggests that he's one of the hardest working guys on the team, and now because of one sentence that "some within the organization were surprised and disappointed he didn't play" all of sudden you're reading into that means that he quit on this team and his teammates? Could that some
be Mike Smith? Sure. Could it be Thomas Dimitroff and Arthur Blank? Sure, but it could just as easily be Jay Adams or their west coast regional scout, who would have no insight on the situation.
The hard reality is that if the Falcons don't keep Grimes, it's because they don't want to pay Grimes. And they fabricated some excuse of how Grimes is carcinogenic to the locker room which is the biggest steaming pile of bullshit that has ever been served up, and you have gobbled it down like it was $45 surf and turf.
If it was about what was good character, then they would be sending Dunta Robinson, Ray Edwards, and Roddy White right out the door with Brent Grimes. If it was about being fearful that Brent Grimes had already peaked, then Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez, Curtis Lofton, John Abraham, Tyson Clabo, Jonathan Babineaux would all not be on this team in 2012.
Nope, it's all about money. And it'll wind up being another huge mistake just like almost all of this team's big financial decisions have been over recent years.
It's just like that Thomas DeCoud strutting thing, where you are faulting a player for having the exact same actions that EVERY OTHER player in the league would have had. This player that you envision would have come back in Grimes circumstances doesn't exist, and even if he does exist, is so few and far between that the expectation that you can build a roster with 53 of those guys or even 25 of them and win in the NFL is a pipe dream.
Again if this alleged incident is all that it takes to get Grimes the boot, then what is it that Dunta Robinson has to do to get the boot? Explain to me why Brent Grimes is a "black dot" player while Robinson, Roddy White, and Ray Edwards are not.
And riddle me this, until 2 days ago when you read this thread, did you at any point in the past 5 years question Brent Grimes heart? And you read this one blurb by Dan Parr, and now all of a sudden Brent Grimes lacks heart, Brent Grimes is good but not great, Brent Grimes has peaked, Brent Grimes can't make it against big wideouts. Yeah, I've made those arguments before, but from actually watching the games, I know how wrong those arguments are/were. Grimes can't handle the premier big wideouts?
Here are Grimes numbers against the bigger No. 1 WRs he faced this year:
TB-Mike Williams 6'2" 212 (2 targets, 1 reception, 12 yards, 6.0 YPA, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 0 PDs)
SEA-Sidney Rice 6'4" 202 (4 / 1 / 52 / 13.0 / 1 / 0 / 1)
GB-Jordy Nelson 6'3" 217 (5 / 2 / 10 / 2.0 / 0 / 0 / 1)
DET-Calvin Johnson 6'5" 236 (4 / 2 / 14 / 3.5 / 0 / 0 / 2)
NO1-Marques Colston 6'4" 225 (1 / 1 / 10 / 10.0 / 0 / 0 / 0)
NO2-Marques Colston 6'4" 225 (3 / 2 / 15 / 5.0 / 0 / 0 / 1)
Those guys combined for 9 catches on 19 targets (47.4% completions) for 113 yds (5.9 YPA), 1 TD allowed, 0 INTs, and 5 PDs. Those 5 WRs average a height of slightly over 6'3 1/2" and a weight of 218 pounds. Remember Grimes is roughly 5'9 1/2" 183 lbs.
For the record, Williams caught 54% of the passes thrown to him. Rice 57%, Nelson 74%, Johnson 64%, and Colston 76%.
But keep it coming fun gus, I'm looking to see what other excuses you can scrape out of the bottom of that barrel to justify why it's a wise move to get rid of Brent Grimes, and keep these other bums that somehow pass for being "team first" guys.
reading is not only fun, it's fundamental!
I'll try one more time. Once more into the breach!
I like Grimes. Never ever had a problem with him. I still like him, and would want him to stay. But lets talk about Grimes just for minute before moving on. Not DeCouldn't. Not Abraham. Not what Sports Nerd.com says about every other
miniature CB in the league.
Is Brent Grimes a 'black dot guy'? No, I do not believe so. He has given me no reason to consider him as such, but I'm not in Flowery Branch.
Is he the best CB on our roster? Undoubtedly.
Your August vs January hold out comparison is weak at best. If a player holds out in August, how does that affect the teams chances in the postseason? The answer of course is none. If a player holds out in January, in order to make a statement, and that player is the best on the roster for the position, then that player affects the team more
then the example mentioned in August. Again, apples and ora
nges. Comparing a CB to a 3 time probowler, apples and oranges. And for the record, I doubt it would have made much difference vs Eli and co, but you really cant say for certain until the ball is snapped. So lets not get sidetracked into making excuses for bad behavior because 'we would have lost anyways'
Now that being said ( and please read and understand this ) if Brent wants to sit out when he is 80% I generally do not have a problem with it with two exceptions.
1:it is a playoff game
2:it is an end of season game determining a playoff appearance.
Pretty simple, right? And that goes for any player on the team.
I dont particularly care who it is. If Matt Ryan was in the final year of his contract and was 80% and decided to 'protect' himself, I have the same problem. But we 'know' that will not happen with Ryan.
Now read what I said. And remember the source. If the rumor is true, then I think if Brent held out when he could have played:then if we franchise tagged him and got a 1st round pick, I dont have a problem with it. It's essentially what the Jets did and while you point to thier lack of explosive DE's since they jettisoned Abe, you purposefully overlook the 1st rounder Mangold which has solidified thier OL for years now.
Since we wasted all our picks on Julio, we need a 1st rounder. It would not be a wise move to get rid of Grimes just because of our OL, but if he is holding out
, AND we need help, then I'm not against packaging him and saying 'good luck' lil man.
"Again if this alleged incident is all that it takes to get Grimes the boot, then what is it that Dunta Robinson has to do to get the boot?"
well lots of things, but here's one" If Dunta sat himself in a playoff game where he could have played ". The thing is we cant get anything for Dunta. Right?
We dont know what really happened. Your speaking with impunity that TD and Smitty (or Jay Adams,etc) has it out for Grimes because they dont want to spend the $$.
I dont know if that is true. But I have said, if it is,I will be right there with ya. And if they just let him walk without getting anything
n for him, I will go farther then 'not caring', I would get a pitchfork and a torch and march my fat ass all the way to Flowery Branch myself.
Now, do we understand each other?