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 Post subject: NFR: Jets owner wants to explore Revis trade
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:11 am 
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I think the Falcons need to recommit to the draft (i.e. not trade away picks for players anymore), but this is possibly the one exception that would make me seriously reconsider that.

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Report: Woody Johnson wants to explore a Darrelle Revis trade

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 23, 2013, 7:58 PM EST

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Jets owner Woody Johnson is reportedly interested in trading the team’s most valuable asset, cornerback Darrelle Revis.

Johnson has expressed a desire to trade Revis, Jason La Canfora of CBS reports. La Canfora attributes the report to unnamed sources with knowledge of the situation. It’s possible that Johnson floated the idea in conversations with prospective general managers during the search that ultimately led to the Jets hiring John Idzik.

Revis is owed $6 million this year, which is a good deal if Revis is healthy and back to being the NFL’s best cornerback. But it’s Johnson could be worried that Revis will struggle to regain his old form in his recovery from a torn ACL. And La Canfora also reports that Johnson thinks Revis is going to want a lot more money after the 2013 season, when he can become an unrestricted free agent, and that the Jets might be better off getting something for him now than getting nothing for him a year from now.

If the Jets are resigning themselves to the idea that it will take a full year to fix the mess that was the 2012 season, then trading Revis could be the way to begin the rebuilding.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:54 am 
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Don't see it esp considering the pay day he has coming next year. Of course, it all depends what they want but I can only assumeit is a king's ransom. With a better pass rush our DBs would be about as good as anyone's. But I agree with your first notion that we need to get back to draft based building. The only piece that seems glaringly missing to me is a monster pass rusher be he outside or inside. Remember what the Eagles paid for the cB from the Raiders who was all world in OAK but pedestrian at best for Philadelphia. We need to get back to Smitty's original philosphy of concentrating on "players closest to the ball."

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 Post subject: Re: NFR: Jets owner wants to explore Revis trade
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:34 am 
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Again, I'm not saying I'd make this move, but I certainly be curious to see what the Jets asking price was. But if you could just deal the 30th overall pick for him, I think it'd be worth exploring.

Here's my counter to your points.

Nnamdi was 30 when he was picked up by Philly. Revis turns 28 next summer.

Nnamdi is/was a matchup corner. Meaning a lot of his success comes from the simple fact that he matches up well against WRs which prevent Qbs from throwing at him. Nnamdi has built his reputation on taking away one half of the field, not being a ballhawk.

Revis on the other hand is more of the latter. Over 79 career games, he's broken up 98 passes, or 1.24 per game. Compares favorably to the 1.32 PDs per game that Grimes had in 2010 and 2011 combined. Nnamdi OTOH over his final 3 years in Oakland, averaged about 0.42 per game and 0.55 in Philly. That compares with Dunta, who in Atlanta averages about 0.51 per game.

To me this is potentially the same sort of move that GB made back in '06 when they picked up Charles Woodson. Woodson was 30 at the time and coming off a couple of down years in Oakland. But over the past 7 years became their best defender. Or Denver's acquisition of Champ Bailey in '04, when he was 26.

One can also argue that a lot of Nnamdi's success in OAK came playing in a particular scheme, which they have not fully adapted in Philadelphia. Revis however is the type of corner that should be able to play in any scheme: press, off, man, zone heavy etc. Like Woodson and Champ, Revis has the skillset and capacity to be a very productive cornerback well into his mid-30s. Meaning if Revis is 28 now, it's foreseeable the Falcons could easily get 5-7 highly productive years from him where he is their premier corner.

Obviously, Revis doesn't solve the Falcons issue. They still need to upgrade the pass rush. But getting him would certainly add another premier playmaker on the defensive side of the ball that is in the prime of his career.

I personally believe that the Falcons need to upgrade over Dunta Robinson. His lack of ball skills really held this pass defense back this year. Nolan was able to scrape the bottom of the barrel for his ability by utilizing him as a blitzer and he returned to being a very effective run defender this year. But those are the only skills Robinson really has right now. Basically I don't see a difference between him and Brian Williams, who also was a very competent blitzer and capable run defender.

It's why I think Grimes should be brought back because having another corner opposite Samuel that can actually break up passes, is highly valuable when you have a questionable pass rush.

Robinson was thrown at 97 times this year, and only broke up 8 of those passes. Compare that to Grimes in 2010, who was thrown at 119 times, and broke up 23 passes. Basically, Robinson only breaks up 1 of 12 passes thrown his way. Grimes OTOH in 2010, broke up 1 of 5 and 1 out of 4 in 2011. Revis has similar numbers:

2012 - 37.5% of targets broken up (8 targets)
2011 - 24.7% of targets broken up (85 targets)
2010 - 17.5% of targets broken up (57 targets)
2009 - 27.9% of targets broken up (111 targets)
2008 - 19.0% of targets broken up (84 targets)

And unlike Nnamdi it's not because he's only been thrown at 2 times per game.

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 Post subject: Re: NFR: Jets owner wants to explore Revis trade
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Revis is a heck of a player, but why would we give up anything for him when we have so many other issues on defense to deal with? At this point, I'd only make serious leaps on defense to improve the line. There are other areas to address as well, but it seems that Dimitroff's Achilles is drafting defensive linemen.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:48 pm 
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RobertAP wrote:
Revis is a heck of a player, but why would we give up anything for him when we have so many other issues on defense to deal with? At this point, I'd only make serious leaps on defense to improve the line. There are other areas to address as well, but it seems that Dimitroff's Achilles is drafting defensive linemen.

I'm not sure that argument holds water. Yes, the Falcons pass rush is a more immediate weakness than the cornerback position. But the Falcons starting cornerbacks are 31 (Dunta) and 32 (Asante). Grimes will be 30 in July.

If you can get a player that can solidify that position for the next 5 years, then it's worthwhile because CB is a highly valuable position.

The Falcons CB position is going to be a high priority very soon. If the Falcons don't think they can address one of their more pressing issues on defense with as good a player in Round 1, then it makes sense to maximize that pick similar to the John Abraham trade.

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 Post subject: Re: NFR: Jets owner wants to explore Revis trade
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I agree the most pressing need is a pass rush. I'm not crazy about taking chances on people after injuries, I wonder why the Jets have decided to try to trade him?

I'm not saying its a crazy idea but I hope to never go through a season again knowing
their would not be pressure on their Qb. It does seem we have more older players with declining skills, but up till now Thomas. D. has been able to get us out of these problems, or cover them up each year!!

It does seem like Grimes is not coming back almost on his own choice. If he's not been
rehabbing then he's no where near worth what he will want...

The main thing is if their shopping him to everyone (and they always are) then a #1
would be the most we should do.

I hope we make clean breaks with Turner & Abe they've both helped us about as much as they can.

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 Post subject: Re: NFR: Jets owner wants to explore Revis trade
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Cyril mentioning Grimes not rehabbing an dFG labeling him a "malcontent" has me wonderign where this comes from? Is it specualtion or have you read or heard something that tells you this?

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Is it specualtion or have you read or heard something that tells you this?

Speculation.

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If all they want is the 30th pick for Revis I would strongly consider it. Whoever we get with the 30th pick in the draft will not have near the impact that Revis could have in our defense (if healthy of course). The reason I would be quick to part with the pick is because our biggest need is DE and I really dont think any DE that will be on the board at 30 will come in and make an immediate impact and make us a better team. I could be wrong and we grab Ezekiel Ansah at 30 and he comes in and gives us 7 sacks in a pass rushing specialist.

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Cyril wrote:
...I wonder why the Jets have decided to try to trade him?


1) They are entering salary cap hell. Unsurprisingly, the Sanchez contract is going to kill them, and they still need a lot of pieces.

2) With a new GM, they are likely in a rebuilding mode. They will try to maximize their draft impact with as many new starters as possible, as they really need upgrades at OLB, RB, WR, OT, and QB. Revis isn't needed for a rebuild, and he's about the only piece they can leverage to improve the rebuild. It says a lot about how desperate they are that they would trade him at the low point in his value (coming off knee surgery).


The Jets are currently a terrible franchise. Just about every decision they've made the last few years screams incompetence, and just when they seem to have made one good move (firing Tannebaum), they prove that the foolishness doesn't end there by keeping Ryan on as essentially a lame-duck (he likely won't survive if they bottom out again) and with their owner pointlessly criticizing Tebow (claiming he didn't want to do the trade, like it matters now).


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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike- ... evis-trade

'Gold rush forming' for possible Darrelle Revis trade
By Mike Freeman | National NFL Insider
January 25, 2013 11:09 am ET



One NFL general manager called the trade interest in Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis “one of the biggest potential trade markets for a player ever.” He likened the growing interest in Revis to when Reggie White was leaving Philadelphia as a free agent or the Peyton Manning sweepstakes last year. That, basically, says it all about what's happening with Revis.

The possibility of a Revis trade, first reported by CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora, is no longer just a possibility, according to a variety of sources. The Jets are strongly leaning toward the trade and teams are considering giving up significant capital to get him.

"There's a Revis gold rush forming,” said a general manager.

The teams highly interested in Revis are looking at teams like the Seahawks and the two Super Bowl participants and how despite this being an offense-driven league now, defenses still can dramatically and quickly change a team's fortune.

Several team sources are claiming the Jets want a first- and second-round pick for Revis, which is astronomical payment considering Revis -- while one of the best players in all of football -- is coming off knee surgery and will want a hefty contract.

The Jets won't get a one and two (no way), but teams think the Jets can get a nice gaggle of picks and a player.

Sources say one of the teams highly interested is the New England Patriots, but not even the Jets, who have made some screwy decisions over the years, would trade Revis to the division-rival Patriots and, in the process, hand them a Super Bowl.

Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

So the race to get Revis is on.

Who will win?

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I just read your question BnB...... I guess its speculation because I thought this article was written By Archer and with Archer being local I consider him rather accurate, on the radio that is...... This was in a Fun Gus Article that is not written by Archer, so its just a question of Why would Dave Archer tell a lie? There's no motive since he just announces the games. So its third party but what isn't??




Much as I loved the little man, if what I heard today was 'correct' we will not be in Grimetime next year.

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Mind you, it's all media speculation, but take this for what it is 'worth'..Today on 'Archer and Bell' on 790, they discussed Grimes return. Archer basically said 'well, you can tell when guys are serious about rehabbing. How much they return to Flowery Branch...I have to say, the word around the camp is Grimes has not put in his 'due diligence'. He has missed time with the recently fired strength and conditioning coach , and the medical team. In fact, he's been downright invisible. If I had to trust my gut, I would say they have already moved on, both of them'


In fact as an announcer he can't hardly afford to lie about facts; and he does state this as a fact?? I mean all you can do is report what others close to the club are saying. Archer has interviewed Blank many of times..... Maybe its pure speculation but
Dave archer is real enough for me not to think it total speculation.

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If that is true then it is shame on BG. Money changes everything every time.

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I would love Revis, but he is going to want a bank breaking contract. If they do get him, then Robinson has to go. Maybe Robinson and a #1 for Revis. With Grimes, Revis, Samuel in the backfield, Moore and Decoud would have a very easy time. :shock:


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Anybody see the picture of Revis wearing a Falcons hat publicly. It was a nice chuckle.

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Anybody see the picture of Revis wearing a Falcons hat publicly. It was a nice chuckle.


Incase you missed it. Coincedence maybe but why rock another team's cap during Trade-gate?


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