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Here goes. Some of these came to me in my sleep. But these would be the rules I would live by if I was a GM in the NFL:

1. Without risk there is no reward.
2. Never pass on a great player just because he doesn't fill a major need.
3. A quarterback that can consistently play at a high level will always keep you in contention.
4. A top defense is just as valuable as a top quarterback.
5. The draft requires 9 months of preparation and free agency 3 months, so never forget that energy input.
6. Spend your money as if it was your own, not the owner's.
7. Running backs are expendable and only Hall of Famers are worth big money.
8. Always look for the players that were the leaders of their former teams, these tend to be the high character players.
9. When in doubt, go with the lineman.
10. Never underestimate the value of a top tight end or safety.
11. Only draft specialists (i.e. kickers, punters) when in the most dire circumstances.

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That did it,...when I see Blank at the Lounge, I'm recommending Pudge to replace McKay.

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 Post subject: Re: Pudge's 11 Commandments to Team Building
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3. A quarterback that can consistently play at a high level will always keep you in contention.


Peyton Manning proved that point this season.

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3 and 4 seem almost contradictory in the era of the salary cap.

May I suggest 12?

12. Don't count on luck, rely upon it.

In the end, the best decisions you make can never factor in the unknown and the unknowable. If you aren't lucky, you aren't going to be a big winner. You can minimize the effect of bad breaks, but the random factors will always enter into the equation. When you deal with human beings and an oblong ball, you just can't plan for everything.

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You're absolutely right Wease. Success in the NFL (and probably in life in general) is a convergence of several factors that would be categorized by luck. And luck is needed in order to have that success. But I disagree that you should rely upon it. Maybe it's an issue of semantics, but I think there is a difference between knowing that you need some luck to succeed as opposed to relying upon it.

I think if you are doing your job correctly, signing, draft, hiring, trading, cutting the right people and players, etc. then the amount of luck that is required is significantly less than.

So I don't think you really need to rely upon luck to build a successful and consistently competitive championship-caliber team. But I do think probably a certain luck is needed to ascend from that cream of the crop to the team that ultimately takes home the Lombardi in a given year.

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 Post subject: Re: Pudge's 11 Commandments to Team Building
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Here goes. Some of these came to me in my sleep. But these would be the rules I would live by if I was a GM in the NFL:

1. Without risk there is no reward.
2. Never pass on a great player just because he doesn't fill a major need.
3. A quarterback that can consistently play at a high level will always k1. Without risk there is no reward.keep you in contention.
4. A top defense is just as valuable as a top quarterback.
5. The draft requires 9 months of preparation and free agency 3 months, so never forget that energy input.
6. Spend your money as if it was your own, not the owner's.
7. Running backs are expendable and only Hall of Famers are worth big money.
8. Always look for the players that were the leaders of their former teams, these tend to be the high character players.
9. When in doubt, go with the lineman.
10. Never underestimate the value of a top tight end or safety.
11. Only draft specialists (i.e. kickers, punters) when in the most dire circumstances.



Let me see what Pudge has written and make a few comments.

1. Without risk there is no reward.

I agree to be great you must take chances those who play it safe get less. Let me make a few examples when the Charges drafted Antonio Cromartie he was a risk would have been a top 5 selection but because of his serious injury fell in the draft. Now this year Cromartie is coming into his own has one of the best corners in the league. San Diego knows how to draft players.

2. Never pass on a great player just because he doesn't fill a major need.

I have to disagree somewhat most teams do pick BPA to fill a need. Lets say you have Brian Ulracher at middle linebacker and Ray Lewis is on the board when your time to draft. Why would you take another great middle linebacker at the same position.Ulracher can play many positions but his best is middle linebacker.Then again remember San Diego they had Drew Brees and still drafted Rivers. I think you need to weight many factors since your team probably has other needs. Why take a player rating a 7 at a position of need when you can take a 9 at a position you don't need yet. Its debateable, I would take the BPA to fill a need.

3. A quarterback that can consistently play at a high level will always k1. Without risk there is no reward.eep you in contention.

I agree a quality QB can cover up a lot of weaknesses on your team. The Colts have had average defenses for some time but Manning becuase he is so great makes up for the average defense by allowing the offense scoring alot of points.

4.4. A top defense is just as valuable as a top quarterback

Well to win and win in the playoffs you have to have both. One without the other your not going to win consistently. Example the Green Bay Packers farve even though he wasn't has good has he is now the last few years was still one of the better Qbs but Green Bay didn't have the defense to go with a QB. Another wxample was the Bears of the last 2 yrs not counting this year had a good to great defense but no QB.

5. 5. The draft requires 9 months of preparation and free agency 3 months, so never forget that energy input

In sum its a year round even and you better know what your doing or your team won't be very good at either. Evaluation/Scouting are essential in doing the job right.

6. Spend your money as if it was your own, not the owner's

In short get the most bang for the buck. Time and time again Mckay has overspent on players who didn't perform up to there contract standards while you get a GM like Pioli who can get run of the mill players for much less and they fit the system which allows them to have flexibility to go out and take a chance on a randy moss,Seau etc etc.

7. Running backs are expendable and only Hall of Famers are worth big money

The life span of a quality running back probably is 5-8 years and when a back hits 30 statistically they seem to lose there ability on the average. Few running backs can play more than 5-8 years at a high level. Its the easiest positon to draft since running backs don't have all the variables coming from college to the pros as other positons.. There are still exceptional running backs that break the mold.Do you have to have a great back to win championships no. A great offensive line can open holes onmost defenses!

8. Always look for the players that were the leaders of their former teams, these tend to be the high character players.

Exactly, the Atlanta Braves of the early 90's were just starting there run on winning division titles who did they get to start there rebuilding efforts Sid Bream, Pendleton etc instead of the big buck free agents. In tough times high character players you rely on and every team has them that wins championships. We see the current falcon's last week no leadrs stepped it was a team lost on the field.

9. When in doubt, go with the lineman.

Linemen play the game for about 10 years compared to other positons so that is a god philosphy. Games are won in the trenches without quality linemen you can have all stars at all the skilled positons but you won't win much.

10. Never underestimate the value of a top tight end or safety

Usually these 2 positons are after thoughts but to seperate yourself from the competition these are valuable commodities. Name a team that competes for championships year in year out without qulaity players at these positons? You can't!

11. Only draft specialists (i.e. kickers, punters) when in the most dire circumstances

Remember the Jets a few years ago blew a number of games since they couldn't make field goals? Well they draft Nugent and now they have one of the better kickers in the game. Janikowski the same! Unless your real special let the league develop the kickers and punters and pick them up from the waiver or free agent wire.

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I definitely disagree with #11 and would point to the Packers drafting Mason Crosby. I'm quite sure they aren't sorry about that move.

I would say don't draft them early would be a good rule but I don't see the harm in taking a kicker on day 2...


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 Post subject: Re: Pudge's 11 Commandments to Team Building
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Pudge wrote:
Here goes. Some of these came to me in my sleep. But these would be the rules I would live by if I was a GM in the NFL:

1. Without risk there is no reward.
2. Never pass on a great player just because he doesn't fill a major need.
3. A quarterback that can consistently play at a high level will always keep you in contention.
4. A top defense is just as valuable as a top quarterback.
5. The draft requires 9 months of preparation and free agency 3 months, so never forget that energy input.
6. Spend your money as if it was your own, not the owner's.
7. Running backs are expendable and only Hall of Famers are worth big money.
8. Always look for the players that were the leaders of their former teams, these tend to be the high character players.
9. When in doubt, go with the lineman.
10. Never underestimate the value of a top tight end or safety.
11. Only draft specialists (i.e. kickers, punters) when in the most dire circumstances.



Pudge I would add one more commandment to your list most always draft a QB whether its 4th,5th,6th ,7th that may have a shot one day to turn into something. Look at Trent Edwards, Schaub (3rd round) etc etc... Ron Wolf said this not me so I had picked up the theory even before I even heard about Wolf saying ut years ago. There is always a team that needs a QB and the chance of trading the QB even if you already have a good QB is quite high but the main reason is you can get much better draft picks than what the QB was picked at. for example you take a 5th round QB he shows promise you might be able to get a 2nd rounder for him.

Some people don't like doing this why not? They think its a wasted pick. Well isn't that what most 5th,6th7th rounders are? Milner is never going to be a decent starter and its just makes sense always draft a QB for the reasons I have listed the reward to risk ratio is worth it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pudge's 11 Commandments to Team Building
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Here goes. Some of these came to me in my sleep. But these would be the rules I would live by if I was a GM in the NFL:

1. Without risk there is no reward.
2. Never pass on a great player just because he doesn't fill a major need.
3. A quarterback that can consistently play at a high level will always keep you in contention.
4. A top defense is just as valuable as a top quarterback.
5. The draft requires 9 months of preparation and free agency 3 months, so never forget that energy input.
6. Spend your money as if it was your own, not the owner's.
7. Running backs are expendable and only Hall of Famers are worth big money.
8. Always look for the players that were the leaders of their former teams, these tend to be the high character players.
9. When in doubt, go with the lineman.
10. Never underestimate the value of a top tight end or safety.
11. Only draft specialists (i.e. kickers, punters) when in the most dire circumstances.



Pudge I would add one more commandment to your list most always draft a QB whether its 4th,5th,6th ,7th that may have a shot one day to turn into something. Look at Trent Edwards, Schaub (3rd round) etc etc... Ron Wolf said this not me so I had picked up the theory even before I even heard about Wolf saying ut years ago. There is always a team that needs a QB and the chance of trading the QB even if you already have a good QB is quite high but the main reason is you can get much better draft picks than what the QB was picked at. for example you take a 5th round QB he shows promise you might be able to get a 2nd rounder for him.

Some people don't like doing this why not? They think its a wasted pick. Well isn't that what most 5th,6th7th rounders are? Milner is never going to be a decent starter and its just makes sense always draft a QB for the reasons I have listed the reward to risk ratio is worth it.


Wow I could not disagree more. No picks should be wasted. That is just crazy crazy strategy and any GM that did that would not be a GM long.

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 Post subject: I agree with Wolf!
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Its worth the gamble and it can pay off big. Ron Wolf last I heard he is a well respected GM who thought of the theory. Hasselbeck,Brooks didn't turn out to badly, the dolphins gave a 2nd rounder for feeley of philadelphia, Brady didn't turn out badly,Montana of course these are the exceptions however how many lower round picks even have a chance to contribute significantly? Perhaps thats the a reason the falcon's are where they are they never take a chance on potential high rewards?

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I definitely disagree with #11 and would point to the Packers drafting Mason Crosby. I'm quite sure they aren't sorry about that move.

I would say don't draft them early would be a good rule but I don't see the harm in taking a kicker on day 2...

And for every Crosby there is a Justin Medlock. And everytime a team reaps the benefits of drafting a Nick Folk or Nate Kaeding, another team goes out and signs a Rian Lindell or Robbie Gould without having to use a draft pick.

Now, if you're in dire circumstances and you're about to go into camp with Tony Yelk, then maybe drafting a kicker might be something you look into. BUt there's really no excuse to be in such a situation.

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Its worth the gamble and it can pay off big. Ron Wolf last I heard he is a well respected GM who thought of the theory. Hasselbeck,Brooks didn't turn out to badly, the dolphins gave a 2nd rounder for feeley of philadelphia, Brady didn't turn out badly,Montana of course these are the exceptions however how many lower round picks even have a chance to contribute significantly? Perhaps thats the a reason the falcon's are where they are they never take a chance on potential high rewards?


Actually it is a terrible gamble that rarely pays off. The Packers gamble really did not. Pudge ran the numbers a while back. It ended up that they bought high and sold low.

People remember the very few hits and ignore all the misses.

Sorry, your way is the way of pissing away picks.

The Falcons problem is that they reach too much.

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 Post subject: Will agree to disagree!
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The Falcon's problem is they don't know how to evaluate players!

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And for every Crosby there is a Justin Medlock. And everytime a team reaps the benefits of drafting a Nick Folk or Nate Kaeding, another team goes out and signs a Rian Lindell or Robbie Gould without having to use a draft pick.

Now, if you're in dire circumstances and you're about to go into camp with Tony Yelk, then maybe drafting a kicker might be something you look into. BUt there's really no excuse to be in such a situation.


A day 2 pick though, I don't have a problem with that because more often than not a 6th or 7th rounder usually is gone within 3 years anyways...


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3 and 4 seem almost contradictory in the era of the salary cap.

May I suggest 12?

12. Don't count on luck, rely upon it.

In the end, the best decisions you make can never factor in the unknown and the unknowable. If you aren't lucky, you aren't going to be a big winner. You can minimize the effect of bad breaks, but the random factors will always enter into the equation. When you deal with human beings and an oblong ball, you just can't plan for everything.

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"The harder I work, the luckier I get".

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Rule #6 applies to LB's as well as RB's.

Approximately 50% of draft choices make the team. Trading down is a good thing to do. Having half of 11 or 12 draft picks make it is better than half of 7 or 8.

Draft choices are much cheaper than free agents.

Draft expensive positions like QB, CB, OT, DT.
Use free agency on the cheaper positions RB, LB, WR, and Safety(until the team is good enough to draft them).

Very good Center's, OG's and TE's are always available in the late rounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Pudge's 11 Commandments to Team Building
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San Diego knows how to draft players.



Unless the player's last name is Leaf. :D


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