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 Post subject: FSU / Big12
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:03 pm 
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- On the surface it seems the cons far outweigh the pros of them jumping to the big12.


Florida State president Dr. Eric Barron has written a memo obtained by ESPN that includes four key points that would support a move from the ACC to the Big 12 and seven longer key points that argue against it:

I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:

In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:

1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC

2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools

3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU

4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.

But, in contrast:

1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball -- there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.

2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.

3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games -- the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract -- actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.

4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.

5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium

6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC -- we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.

7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker -- and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.

I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion -- it has to be based on a careful assessment of athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.

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 Post subject: Re: FSU / Big12
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 6:16 pm 
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Eloquent breakdown by the FSU president. Why jump, it really makes no sense??

The ACC is positioning itself to be one of the future power conferences. While the Big 12 will also be in the mix, they are as the statement said basically a lot of fluff that surround Texas and to a lesser extent Oklahoma. Unless someone can position themselves to be the third aspect of a Triumvirate. But anybody that knows their Roman history knows that in each of the two incarnations of the Triumvirate, they were 2 real powers and a third puppet power. Florida State would be just that third puppet power. Why would they think they could make that work when Texas A&M and Nebraska felt they couldn't?

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 6:25 pm 
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But anybody that knows their Roman history knows that in each of the two incarnations of the Triumvirate, they were 2 real powers and a third puppet power. Florida State would be just that third puppet power.


Yup, everyone in that conference is UT's puppet in money terms, and thats a huge reason TAM left. FSU is simply cash strapped, as they're spoiled fan base still thinks its 1999, and that was over a decade ago. They're not simply selling enough tickets.

The ACC has all it needs. At full bore, between VT, Clemson, FSU and Miami, what more do you need? The problem has beent he Flordia schools haven't carried a dime of their weight and CU is just now getting good.

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 Post subject: Re: FSU / Big12
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:18 pm 
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fwiw...
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College football's high stakes game of chicken continues. To keep everyone up to date. BearsTruth.com (part of the 247Sports network) reported FSU and Clemson will let the ACC know they're looking around.

Sources out of South Carolina and Florida have indicated the deals have been agreed upon for Clemson and Florida State to notify the ACC of their intent to explore other conferences. Then the two universities will need to submit an application to the Big 12. Big 12 presidents will need to approve the applications and welcome the two newest members.

Then the dominos fall.

They also report Virginia Tech is among Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, and Notre Dame as, "looking at the two seats to 14 to match the SEC in conference size.

@finebaum Low,'I think we're going to see more conference expansions. I can tell you that the SEC has their eyes on Va Tech.'
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 Post subject: Re: FSU / Big12
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:38 pm 
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Funny that Clemson and Florida State have some football success for the first time in a decade, and now all of a sudden they think they are ready to make the move to be a football conference.

So lemme get this straight, if the Big 12 pulls in Clemson & FSU, they are then looking at those other 5 schools as 2 more possible additions to get to 14.

VA Tech, GA Tech, and Pitt? I don't see it. VT would be foolish to leave the ACC for any conference not named the SEC. Georgia Tech? I don't know enough about that school, but I considering they've been an integral part of the ACC's basketball reign over the past decade, I don't see them wanting to leave. Pitt going to the Big 12? God, I hope not. They missed the boat on the Big 10 expansion, which they should have joined. ACC made the next best sense. And joining the Big 12, for what? To renew a rivalry with WVU?

Notre Dame? I've always envisioned that if the day came that Notre Dame joined a conference, the Big 10 would have kept a spot warm for them.

And Louisville? Sure. That makes sense.

I just don't get it. I thought we had reached a point where all of the major schools/conferences were relatively happy. Some shuffling here or there, with the idea that if/when the SEC chose to expand to 14, then that shoe would drop. But the Big 12? Really. This conference was on life support a year ago, and now all of a sudden it's a viable alternative to the ACC, SEC, and Big 10? We've always known that there were goign to be 5 Super conferences, but the least alluring of those is the Big 12 IMO. The ACC and the other conferences seem to be ascending, while the Big 12 is going the opposite way...

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:11 pm 
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I understand the whole situation back to front, but it would take me an hour+ to dice out. Plus its so fluid I am hearing new rumors with legs on a daily basis. I'll post something soon, either way the consequences are MAJOR if more movements occur.

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