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let's go to the videotape ...

Postby samedi » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:35 pm

And then ignore it anyways. Refs jobbed Atl on the two replay calls. Absolutely jobbed. Utter bullshit.

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Postby Emmitt » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:41 pm

Lets go to the video tape, the Falcons got outplayed in every aspect of football today.
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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby Pudge » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:29 pm

The 2-point conversion was a bad call.

The Louis Murphy fumble was the right call. He caught the ball, took 2 or 3 steps then fumbled out of bounds.


But either way, the Falcons were losing the game long before the "refs got involved." You're only talking about 1 quarter of play that was affected by it. The other 3 quarters, the Falcons were pretty close to terrible.

You can make the argument if they convert that 2-pt. conversion, maybe it shifts the momentum of the game. But considered the D got a stop, and then the offense then TURNED IT OVER on 4th down, it's a really bad argument to make.
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Postby backnblack » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:46 pm

Truthfully, the TO on that fourth down pass was better than an incompletion. Roddy did get jobbed on the 2 point conversion but was going for it the right call this time? I find that to be "inconclusive." The O was truly horrible in the first half....sleep walking. Matt looked....wrong somehow. Cam really played a great game but there was very little pressure. Abe was getting thrown around like a rag doll at times. I really don't understand the use of Turner. He looks like such a shell of his former self. When Rodgers is in we seem infintiely less predictable.

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Postby Pudge » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:27 pm

backnblack wrote:I really don't understand the use of Turner.

I'll give 7.5 million reasons to help you understand... :whistle:
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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby samedi » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:21 pm

Pudge wrote: The Louis Murphy fumble was the right call. He caught the ball, took 2 or 3 steps then fumbled out of bounds.


But either way, the Falcons were losing the game long before the "refs got involved." You're only talking about 1 quarter of play that was affected by it. The other 3 quarters, the Falcons were pretty close to terrible.

You can make the argument if they convert that 2-pt. conversion, maybe it shifts the momentum of the game. But considered the D got a stop, and then the offense then TURNED IT OVER on 4th down, it's a really bad argument to make.


Fair point, but the latter isn't what I'm arguing: It's what you're anticipating. I agree ATL lost the game on their own just fine. Could they have won with two more points and forcing a punt at that exact point? No one knows.

That said, I don't ever see him have clear possession of the ball. He takes several steps, but he's juggling the entire time.

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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby RobertAP » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:25 am

Go back and look at Carolina's first TD. I think he was out of bounds. Shouldn't have been a TD.

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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby Pudge » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:49 pm

RobertAP wrote:Go back and look at Carolina's first TD. I think he was out of bounds. Shouldn't have been a TD.
No, it was definitely a touchdown. Olsen got his right foot down and his right elbow, shoulder, thigh, and knee. Basically his entire side of his body touched the ground in-bounds after his foot hit, thus making it a completion.

The ball did not move an inch, as he clearly secured it in the crook of his arm and then held it firmly away from his body as he was rolling over to indicate his control.

Excellent play on his part. Attached is a screen capture showing that he was clearly in bounds and caught the ball.
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Postby RobertAP » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:53 am

Nice screen cap Pudge, thanks.

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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby samedi » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:22 pm

2 second clip of the challenged catch showing where he clearly has possession?

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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby Pudge » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:20 pm

I can't get you a clip without some nefarious means or some crude splicing attempts.

But I'll simply break it down instead.

Murphy catches the ball, then tucks it into his body. During the process of securing the catch he takes 4 steps trying to turn upfield. After the 4th step, with the ball secured to his body, Owens is able to strip it away.

In terms of the definition of a "football act," it's not going to be any more clear-cut that what Murphy did. Definitely a fumble.

Again, the only blown/questionable call is the Roddy 2-pt conversion. Which is unfortunate, but of course anybody can tell you that over the course of your typical NFL football game, you're going to get 1, 2, or 3 calls that are like that.

Relative to probably most NFL games, this was a well officiated game.
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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby samedi » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:35 pm

I respectfully disagree, and we might just have to call it at that. At no point is the ball secure: It's rolling and jouncing with every step. The refs saw your side; Mike Piera (sp?) saw mine.

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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby Pudge » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:55 pm

Mike Pereira said during the broadcast that he believed it was a catch and fumble because Murphy made a football move after securing the ball.

Again, the ball was secure. If you had access to Game Rewind or taped the game and watched the replay you would be able to tell this. The ball was secured by him during the time it took him to make the 4 steps upfield, and at that point was when the ball came loose due to Owens stripping him.

A "football move" is often defined as just two steps. Murphy made 4 with the ball secured against his body.

With respect, your Falcon-tinted glasses blind you to this.
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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby fun gus » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:26 pm

yeah, I would have to agree..Watching with the quorum all of us found the same opinion..He DID make the catch.
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Postby samedi » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:49 pm

I do have NFL Rewind, so I'll go back and look (and listen) again.

Crimeny; if Purge and Fun Gus unite on the contrary view, I pretty much have to be wrong.

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Re: let's go to the videotape ...

Postby Pudge » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:54 am

samedi wrote:Crimeny; if Purge and Fun Gus unite on the contrary view, I pretty much have to be wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktUx57i63e0
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